Hello everyone and welcome to the focus group podcast. I'm Sarah Longwell,

publisher of the bull work and today we are talking about no labels for a

while now they've been talking about fielding a unity presidential ticket

with a Democrat and a Republican on it, which sounds like the kind of thing

that a never Trump centrist like me might find attractive. But cards on the table, I'm against

the no labels gambit because I believe it will reelect Donald

Trump. After you listen to today's episode you're going to understand why I

believe that. My guest today is Matt Bennett. He is one of the loudest voices opposing the no labels, Hail Mary, and he's

the Executive Vice President for Public Affairs at Third Way. Matt, thanks for being here.

Thanks for having me.

Okay, quick, what's Third Way?

Tell people, so they know.

Third way is a center left think tank.

We're basically moderate Democrats.

We are on the political spectrum pretty much aligned with Joe Biden.

It's a good way to think about us.

Yeah. And so people know, you and I know each other as like me,

centrist Republican, you centrist Democrat, both opposed to Donald Trump, were friends.

Exactly.

So that's third way.

Now who is no labels, the people behind it, what are they trying to do in 2024, and what do they claim is their theory of victory?

Give us the top line.

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