S4 E41 Finding Safety in the Last Days: Holy Places (D&C 85-87)
The Scriptures Are Real
Kerry Muhlestein
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🗓️ 3 August 2025
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
Please join us for the Kirtland Workshop in Kirtland Ohio, where we will explore on site key elements of the Kirtland period, including a special focus on the temple. You can also join us for the Book of Abraham Workshop. Go to outofthedust.org or TSAR.website to see details and register.
In this episode we mentioned two links you might be interested in. The monthly newsletter
and
The Book of the Law of the Lord
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/the-book-of-the-law-of-the-lord-book-a/1
In this episode Kerry and Keith Erekson discuss some key revelations, including the parable of the wheat and tares as the Lord discusses it in these last days. They delve into ways this parable applies to us today and how God wants to help us become more holy. They also talk about possible definitions of holy places and the need to be in Holy Places in these last days. They delve into the historical context of each section, including Joseph's writing of letters and the travels of Joseph Smith and how it affected these revelations. They also look at the prophecy on war, and discuss its historical context and the tariff situation at the time, and the coming civil war. They also look at all the terrible things that were happening in the world at the time and how that affected this revelation.
We are so grateful for all those who support us and make this possible. We are grateful for our executive producers, M. Rosema, B. Fisher, J. Beardall, D. Anderson, and H. Umphlett, and for all our generous and loyal donors. We are also very grateful for all our Patreon members. We are so thankful for Launchpad Consulting Studios for producing the content and for Rich Nicholls, who composed and plays the music for the podcast.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the scriptures a real podcast. |
| 0:11.9 | This is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures to make them more real to us because we believe that helps us to draw more power out of them and we need all the hope we can get. |
| 0:20.4 | I'm your host, Kerry Mealstein, and I'm very excited to have with me a new guest we've never had before. This is Keith Erickson with the Church History Department. When I say that, I mean, like the Church History Department, not BYU's Department of Church History and Doctrine, but the Church of Church history department, thanks for being with this, Keith. |
| 0:37.9 | So glad to be here. |
| 0:39.7 | I don't know if I've ever told you, but Keith is actually my father's name, so I have very |
| 0:43.2 | fond feelings associated with that. |
| 0:45.0 | All right. |
| 0:45.8 | But anyway, before we hear a little bit more about Keith, I just want to make sure I tell my |
| 0:51.5 | audience about something that is coming up that we're we're |
| 0:55.2 | just in the middle of planning right now but hopefully by the time this comes out we'll have a |
| 0:59.7 | few more details and you'd be able to learn about it at our Patreon website but my wife and I have |
| 1:04.1 | decided we're going to host a little workshop in Curtland where we'll actually stay in |
| 1:10.2 | Painsville and do some things in Curtland and we're just going well we'll actually stay in painsville and and do some things in kirtland |
| 1:12.1 | and we're just going to we'll do both lectures and um go around to various sites uh so this is |
| 1:19.0 | going to be october uh the second weekend in october it'll probably be a thursday friday |
| 1:25.2 | saturday thing uh so that would be October 9, 10, 11, maybe, you know, starting on the 8th, or flying in on the 8. |
| 1:36.7 | So we're still working out some of the details. |
| 1:39.0 | So look for that on our Patreon website, TSAR. website. |
| 1:43.0 | That sense for the scriptures are real and uh you'll be able to |
| 1:45.8 | get more information about how to participate in that so we just wanted to make that announcement |
| 1:49.6 | now let me tell people a little bit about you uh keith uh well i've already told them most of |
| 1:55.2 | of uh what i would tell them that you work for the churches church's church history department |
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