Not out of control.

I'm not advocating or saying that it's a good idea to get out control.

But he had this way of when I needed to have a point made with crystal clarity,

he would put his index finger right into my sternum.

And he would say, you're not better than other people.

That's one of the lessons.

Only when we love him more than anything else, it's only then that we trust in him enough

to allow him to exalt us. It can be scary and I don't think it's going to be anything but

painful for anyone. If President Nelson has to, I mean, you think of the irony of this.

Here's a person who is an apostle and a world famous heart surgeon who loves his wife

and has his wife die with him a heart surgeon trying to save her from a heart problem.

And he fails.

If that's not designed to be painful for President Nelson, I don't know what is.

But even someone like him, who's already an apostle, who's already so consecrated, I don't even

understand that depth of consecration, God puts him in an experience that consecrates him more.

Yeah.

Right.

That's what we are going to have to go through.

Hello and welcome to the Scriptures a Real podcast.

This is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures that make them become more real to us because we know that helps us draw more power out of them and we need all the help we can get. I'm your host, Kerry Mulestein, and I'm so glad to have with me, my dear friend, Steve Harper. Thanks for being with us, Steve. Thank you, Carrie. Glad to be with you again. It's good to have you here. And for our audience, Steve has been with us before. Last year, he helped us go through Section 109 and the dedication of the Kirtland Temple. This year he started out. He was a, and what I think is one of the best episodes we've done is we started out talking about how to study church history.

So thanks for that.

And we'd encourage our audience to go back and listen to those.

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