This is a global player original podcast.

70% of what I knew never made the paper.

Towards the end of my time and bizarre became a hotline for troubled and fucked up famous people who would ring and say help.

Welcome to Big Fish with me, Spencer Matthews.

Each week I speak to inspirational people about how they reach the top of their game and their mindset for success. Gordon Smart is a broadcaster and

journalist. His impressive rise to one of the top jobs at the Sun newspaper at such a young

age is absolutely remarkable. He became the showbiz editor at just

26 years old and was appointed editor of the Scottish Sun at just 32. But at 36 he decided to pack it

all in, telling me he couldn't handle it, could no longer sleep at night, and he very nearly had a

nervous breakdown. After leaving newspapers, he now presents on Radio 5 Live, co-host the

brilliant global podcast Restless Natives with Martin Comston and his editor-at-large of men's health.

In this episode, we delve into what really goes on behind the scenes of the tabloid press,

his working relationship with Rupert Murdoch and the immense pressure of the job, including

abuse and facing death threats.

Gordon Smart.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for joining me.

It's a real honour to be invited after everyone you've had on.

I hope I'm not lowering the tone.

Not at all.

Not at all.

We're very delighted to have you here. You were the

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