S35 E4: Helter Skelter | Allison after NXIVM
Allison after NXIVM from Uncover
CBC
4.6 • 10K Ratings
🗓️ 24 November 2025
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
Lauren Salzman, daughter of NXIVM’s co-founder, speaks for the first time about her two-decade journey in the group—including her indoctrination, her relationship with Keith Raniere, and the moment she realized things had gone too far. Meanwhile, as federal scrutiny intensifies, Allison Mack gives a high-stakes interview defending DOS, and Keith flees to Mexico. Inside a beachside villa, a shocking plan is set in motion, and Lauren is forced to confront her loyalty in a moment of chaos. The walls are closing in, and NXIVM’s inner circle is about to fracture.
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| 0:42.5 | Just a note before we begin. |
| 0:44.8 | This episode contains a discussion of suicide. |
| 0:50.5 | There's a woman who joined Nexium in the early days. |
| 0:59.0 | She's actually the daughter of the organization's second in command. And this is the first time she's spoken about what happened to her. |
| 1:03.0 | I joined Nexium before Nexium was a thing. |
| 1:06.0 | My mom met Keith Thanksgiving my senior year in college. |
| 1:10.0 | I basically was like fully indoctrinated and committed to him by spring break. |
| 1:15.4 | This is Lauren Salzman, daughter of Nexium Prefect, Nancy Salzman. |
| 1:20.0 | She was high up in Nexium leadership herself and spent 20 years in the organization. |
| 1:25.3 | She may sound forthright and matter of fact, but make no mistake. |
| 1:30.1 | What Lauren experienced and did in Nexium was deeply traumatic, and it was a very big |
| 1:35.1 | decision for her to speak to me. |
| 1:37.4 | She remembers that spring break, her senior year, when her mom was deeply embedded with Keith |
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