Ten years ago, I asked my partner Kelsey if she would marry me.

I did that, despite the fact that every living member of my family who had ever been married had also gotten divorced.

Forever is a Long Time is a five-part series in which I talk to those relatives about why they got divorced and why they got married.

You can listen to it now on CBC's personally.

This is a CBC podcast.

The following episode contains descriptions of violence.

Please take care when listening.

By the autumn of 1992, I'd been talking to Clifford Olson for nearly three years.

When he first called me, I was a young reporter convinced I could get into Olson's head

to find a reason, to provide answers to grieving families in a shock nation.

I had this unprecedented access to Canada's most notorious criminal.

I had to try.

But my patience was wearing thin.

Now, why did you have the violence?

It was never really clear.

Yes, it was.

The violence was, I told you, it was the lockup and segregation unit for that nine years.

You can talk to any criminologist, Clifford, and that doesn't make a man hate women and want to kill them.

Well, okay, to answer your question, it was from being locked up. Simple as that.

I turned to a hate, which was released when I got out through alcohol, and I took it out on women and children.

Simple as that. Can you understand that?

I become addictive to the murder after a while.

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