Hi, I'm Sam Mullins, and I've got a new podcast called Go Boy, the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.

Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted.

Has spent 24 of those years in jail.

But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an ex-con to a literary darling.

From Campside Media and IHeart

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podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. The following episode contains descriptions of violence and sexual assault.

Please take care when listening.

When I was about 12 or 13 years old, I was staying at my grandparents' house in Toronto.

Pete was at work at the Toronto Sun newspaper, and my grandmother was out, running errands with my sister.

This would have been in 2005 or 2006, so my grandparents had a landline, which rang constantly.

I always answered. That was a house rule. You never knew who would be calling.

This time, it was a collect call from somewhere in Quebec. I accepted the charges, and a man with a friendly voice and a thick Canadian accent

was on the other end. He asked if I was Peter's grandson. I said yes, and we started chatting.

I remember him as really friendly and curious. He asked where I was from, I said yes, and we started chatting. I remember him as really friendly and curious. He asked

where I was from, I said Washington, D.C. He said he knew it well, what part. I told him. We talked

about what my parents did for a living, school, all sorts of stuff. He asked if he could talk to my

grandfather. I told him Pete wasn't there,

but I could take a message. I wrote down his name on the message pad. Clifford Olson.

I proceeded to doodle as he continued talking. Then, as the call wound down, he said,

Oh, by the way, your grandpa might say I killed a bunch of people.

Don't listen to that.

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