Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain Podcast with me, Nicole Sachs. You are here.

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The cure for chronic pain with me Nicole Sachs welcome to it.

Okay, so I want to say something and you're probably gonna be like she says this all the time

Which I probably do. But some interviews really freaking get me. And I finished this interview that you're about to see here, witness, and I said to

Aaron, that might be my favorite interview I ever did and like I always say it's not that

anyone is really better than any other but there are certain feelings that come up when you know you have mind some profound truth.

And in talking to Aaron, whose wife Suzanne has been on this

podcast and wrote her story to include in my new book,

to have the perspective of the caregiver,

to have for the first time ever on this podcast, The story from the other side of the coin, the story from the

person who witnessed the suffering, whose fear was born of the

who's fear was born of not being able to help or fix,

who had to sustain the rest of the family

while the person they love was suffering.

It's so beautiful and it's really, really important.

You know, I've been doing this work for a long time, as you know, and I've always focused,

rightfully, first and foremost, on getting the message out there to the person who is suffering. But when I was first

interviewing Suzanne, her husband's role in her story was so moving to me that I said to her, do you think he'd ever be willing to talk with me publicly about what it's like to be the caregiver?

And she said, you know, let me ask him, but I think he will.

And we finally got it together to do the interview and it really made me realize

how important it is and I will be continuing to do this to get this message not only to the person who is suffering in chronic pain but to their loved ones to their caregivers to their parents to their children to their best friends to their bosses like I want to bring connection to people who are suffering in a different way who are suffering because they're witnessing suffering that they can't fix and to also bring to them the hope that there is a solution and when you work it and when you ride this wave and when you don't need it to be perfect and when you don't need life to have that Disney arc and that happy ending,

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