Was Pope John Paul the first murdered? Ever since his death in 1978, some people believe that this was the case.

And now a man with ties to the mafia has come forward to say that he knows it's true because he witnessed it.

There are reasons to believe that this is the truth,

and there are also reasons to doubt it.

We parse apart this fascinating history this week on Crime Story. I'm

Kathleen Goldar. Find Crime Story wherever you get your podcasts.

This is a CBC podcast.

Hey, I'm Kelly McEvers from NPR's Embedded,

and we are bringing you our series, Capital Gazette, on uncover.

I just want to say there's some strong language in this episode and if

you haven't heard the first episode in our capital gazette series you might want to

go back and listen to that. In that episode, we

told you about a mass shooting on June 28, 2018 at the Capital Gazette in Annapolis, Maryland.

And you heard Saline San Felice, a reporter who survived the shooting.

She was on CNN, the day of the attack.

That night, Saline was also interviewed by police.

Then she got picked up by her parents.

Who suggested they all go out to eat.

And that was just the way that my mom was reacting

was like, let's make it better, let's just try and push on to be normal I mean they just didn't know what to do

Saline was obviously not ready to be normal she was still going over the terrible thing that had just happened,

thinking she was about to die, watching one of her colleagues die. And then you have to like look at the menu and decide like do you want to drink?

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