I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansel and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties.

Hi everyone welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansel.

Welcome back everyone. Thank you so much for taking an interest in blood ties. It's very important to both Molly and I and we hope you're enjoying it.

Yeah, we are. We do hope you are. We discovered we had quite a lot of followers

this week so that's encouraging. We've had 5,000 downloads Dad. That's a lot of

downloads. It feels like a lot of downloads and we've got like maybe 300 subscribers

well that's too bad. That's pretty good for the For too old, I don't know what we are.

Well, interested in the subject.

Yes, it's true.

Anyway, I seem to be spending more and more of my life,

talking about murder and death and all sorts of destruction.

I did, I don't know, six interviews for world's most evil killers and another.

Yeah, you did those last time.

Yeah, I'm just endless fascination with it.

And in a way, people often say, a man came to paint the door at my flat.

Last time it was the guy testing the bolt line.

Yeah.

Okay, what did the doorman say?

I said, I'm sure I've seen your face on television.

I said, well, only if you watch programs about murder.

What did he say?

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