I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansel and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we've been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties.

Hi everyone welcome back to the Blood Ties. I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansel.

Welcome back everyone. Thank you for listening. I hope you've enjoyed it so far. We long for responses and reviews and emails and messages on Twitter or Facebook, whatever you fear.

Yeah, please, please do. And I said I would remember our email for this week. Bloodtides.podcast.gmail.com? I think that's right. She said confidently. Yes. You'll find us on all social media as well, though. Yes, more than you'll find me. I'm not on any social media. You could go on social media, maybe, Dad. Have you thought about it? I could, but I don't know. Not sure? I'm not all that sure. It's bad enough. You'll get these strange emails from people because they can go through my website. Those are just your fans, though. Well, they're not all fans. I've got a number of very angry ones.

Who have you been offending?

No, it's about the case which we will come to,

about the killers of Fusleyer Lee Rigby and Adabalgo and Adabalajo.

And I've had a number of, how come I put it politely, a pretty angry emails,

people saying, why are you picking on Muslims?

Well, they did make the point that it was, to some extent,

a statement against the British military and that they were Muslim and they had been radicalised,

but people are very sensitive about that kind of thing.

And so... Well, it's difficult because of grouping and stereotyping, I think that's a problem.

Well, one of the problems, especially doing anything that involves killing, that you're inevitably as we've talked

about in this podcast you're inevitably going to have some characteristics that follow now

that was a specific genesis from radicalisation, but there are characteristics. A young man who starts fires

and hurts animals is more likely to become a killer than one a dozen. And there are those

kinds of progressions. So I'm reluctant to do stereotypes, of course, but there are certain categories that inevitably

fit in to what you might describe as a stereotype.

Yeah, I think that's true.

How's your week been been anyway, two weeks?

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