I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansall and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Blood Tides podcast. I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father Jeffrey Wansel. Hello everyone. Welcome back. It's always a pleasure to think that you're out there

listening to some of this extraordinary stories that we tell each other.

Yeah, thanks for listening.

More gruesome by the day.

This is a particularly gruesome double.

Well, a few people have asked for this one,

so, and obviously it's well known to you because you wrote a book about it.

Let's deal with the past week first, just to get things out of the way.

Oh, yeah.

You went to Rome and didn't like it.

I went to Rome. I didn't see as much of it. I didn't see that one. I would, you know,

it was fine. It was, it was, I've never even been to Rome. So, you know, I was quite envious. Rome's cool. Rome's cool. And I did, I ate some very good parmesan. Oh, that's good. Yeah. And did you see any sights or not? Yeah, I saw the Trevi Fountain. Oh, lovely. And I just didn't see the Coliseum somehow. I missed it. But, um, but yeah, I saw, uh, three coins in a fountain. I saw the Pantheon. Pantheon. Ponteon. Yeah, that was that. It was good. Good. Yeah. Is it fantasticly crowded? Yeah, it's really busy. Yes, that's what I always guessed it would be. Really, really. It's like if you go to Florence or Sienna now, you can't move. It's just packed. Yeah. When I first went to Florence, it was wonderful. I mean, mind you, that was in 1972 or something.

But it was wonderful. I mean, mind you, that was in 1972 or something.

But it was wonderful.

But now, it's unbelievable.

You just literally can't.

You're completely surrounded by people holding up umbrellas and large phalanxes of

Malaysians, Chinese, Japanese. I'm afraid it was not dissimilar. Honestly, I wouldn't pay six pounds to go to, if that's what the newspapers are saying today, going to cost us six pounds to go to the EU. I'd rather not go. I'll stay here. You're a grump. I am a grump. He's being grumpy. He actually quite likes parts of Europe.

I do like that.

You like southern France a lot.

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