I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansall and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hello everyone welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast.

I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone, welcome back.

Thank you for listening.

Been a joy.

Our podcast seems to be getting better and better and more successful, which is utterly wonderful.

More people are listening, we hope.

We are, we do. We believe they are.

We need to get some new stats.

Yes, but it's just such a delight.

I mean, the conversation conducted between us over, you know, lunch over many years has born this extraordinary institution.

Probably should just highlight that we don't just talk about murder at lunch every week.

No, but once we've cleansed ourselves of murder. We can talk about other things.

I've had a kind of quite a hectic week.

Did some more filming, yet more murderers.

These three were Americans.

And for a series called World's Most Evil Killers,

none of them were particularly,

they were all horrid.

I mean, that would be perfectly true to say.

Sometimes just the sheer weight of numbers of death I deal with can on occasions get me down.

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