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Hello everyone and welcome to the illegal news. I'm Sarah Longwell, publisher of the

bulwark, and because I'm not a lawyer, which may come as a surprise to everybody, I have invited

Elliot Williams, the great Elliott Williams, to help break down the legal news. He is the CNN legal analyst, author of the book Five Bullets. Oh, I should have had my copy. It's like right over there. If I could just grab it, pretend I'm holding it. Guys, go get his book Five Bullets. It's super good. And most importantly, he is a lawyer. So he's going to talk about legal stuff with me. Elliot, thanks for being here. Yeah, you know, it's funny.

And I think I've said this before. Remember when they used to call Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump's fake TV lawyer? I'm actually a fake TV lawyer. It's honest work if you can find it. But it is a thing. Meaning you're a real lawyer on the fake news. Oh, that's actually probably the best way to put it, because I actually do have a law license, despite the fact that, you know, I do play fake TV law. But we're good. We're good. We're going to make some real law today, so we're good. Well, there's some interesting stuff, and you were, you were, which I found out on this show one time, and it was embarrassing for me and be like, you were?

But you were ICE's lawyer back in the day.

Well, it's not one that I talk about a great deal.

And that's why it was surprised you.

But no, I was at ICE for something like four and a half or five years as head of the legislative affairs office there.

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