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Hello friends. Welcome back to another episode of theologian around my guest today is the one or only doctor David Taylor who is associate professor of theology and culture at Fuller Seminary has a doctorate from Duke Divinity School is the author of several books including his most recent book.

A body of praise understanding the role our of our physical bodies in worship I so enjoyed this conversation we go we kind of go all over the map from a theology of the arts to horror films to the roles of our bodies and in worship a different liturgical and worship styles and so on and so forth. So yeah, this was a super fascinating conversation really enjoyed getting to know David for the first time. So please welcome to the show the one or only David Taylor.

Thanks for joining us at the all general. Thanks for having. I first I mean I when you reached out a few months ago and sent me your book which will get you. I was like that's that name sounds familiar and I looked you up and I'm like oh wait.

You're the guy who did that short film with Bono and Eugene Peters. I mean I could we start there. I was like talking about that like how did you arrange and pay people to know I'm talking about you to the short like 20 minute film where again a people to know Eugene Peterson has had a major impact on on Bono and his faith and yeah.

And so there's this film of them kind of getting together hanging out at Eugene's house in Montana and talking to kind of the Psalms in particular and just kind of kind of almost a theology in the arts a little bit which we're going to get it down.

Yeah. How did that come about like that's good.

I mean it is a long story so unfortunately I can't give all the details but in the fall of 2014 there's no other way to say this except that I actually had a dream in which Bono and you

we're talking to each other and I woke up and at breakfast I told my wife wouldn't it be so cool that I actually haven't realized she's like sure yeah it would be cool.

I was like but no seriously like what if it could happen and so the long short of it is I got a hold of Eugene asked him and he said he was open to something like that.

And then I knew Charlie Peacock he's a musician producer was a national.

He wrote that song I want to be in the light as you're in the like early 90s it was a big song.

He produced some of immigrant stuff and he had hosted Bono's home in the early 2000s when Bono was doing all that kind of Africa debt relief stuff.

And so Bono is just I mean he is he's an activist he's a statesman and so he was meeting with all kinds of populations that he thought could make a difference.

So he met with a bunch of musicians and national Christian musicians and Charlie Peacock hosted them.

And so I happen to be at a retreat with Charlie and Eugene Peterson actually happened to be at that retreat and so I approached Charlie and what are the chances that Bono would say yes.

And he's like 5% 2% 1% he's like actually 50% that he might say yes.

So long short I crafted a letter and then it kind of got passed down through various you know emissaries.

And then it went silent for a long time and I thought you know that's it you know I tried and it's not going to happen.

And then in January 2015 I was teaching class and during a break opened up my email like I had an email from somebody in Ireland saying Bono is interested.

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