Exiles in Babylon, 2024. That's right folks. We're doing it again. Our third annual exiles in Babylon conference will be held on April 18th through the 20th,

uh, 20, 24 here in Boise, Idaho. And this one is going to be an absolute barn burner as we say here in Idaho. The topics we're going to discuss are, uh,

uh, deconstruction and the church. And we're going to actually hear from people who have deconstructed and others who maybe should have deconstructed, but didn't.

We're also going to discuss women, power and abuse in the church, which is obviously a huge issue that we absolutely need to discuss.

Um, we're going to talk about faith and sexuality, specifically how can churches become places where, uh, LGBTQ or same-sex attracted Christians can flourish within a traditional sexual ethic.

Lastly, we're going to discuss, can't believe we're doing this one, we're going to discuss politics. That's right. Politics and the church where we're going to have, uh, various speakers present, we're going to have a right leaning Christian, a left leaning Christian and a,

uh, what do you call a nonpartisan or anabaptist, Christian, share their perspectives, um, share their perspective. And they were, we're going to put them all in conversation with each other. And of course, we're going to have Evan Wickham and Tanika Wyatt, uh, leading us in worship throughout the weekend.

I really, really, really want to mix it up this year. We're going to hear from leading thinkers in each of these areas. We're going to, we're going to be having different viewpoints in conversation with each other. It's going to be honest. It's going to be raw. And you're not going to want to miss out. I really think this one's going to fill up quickly.

So if you want to attend in person, Boise, Idaho, April 18th through the 20th, register very, very soon. Just go to theology in the raw.com. That's theology in the raw.com. I really hope to see you there.

Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of theology in the raw. My guest today is Dr. Drew Johnson, who is a visiting, uh, associate professor at Hope College in Holland, Michigan. Um, he is the director of the center for Hebrew.

He break thought and the host of the biblical mind podcast and cohost of the on script podcast. He had, he got his PhD from St Andrews University in Scotland. Before all of this, he was a high school dropout skinhead punk rock drummer and combat veteran, um, IT supervisor and pastor.

Anyway, interesting character. I will say, uh, let me just warning up front. Our conversation goes all over the map. Um, in fact, I'm recording this intro after our conversation. But before I title this episode. So I don't know how I'm going to title this episode because we, we open up many doors of thought and chase shiny objects within those doors.

Uh, you'll kind of see what I mean once you listen to the episode. We begin. I would say the first like 20 minutes is does get pretty heavy on a philosophical level. So those of you who are philosophically wired, you're going to love it. If you're not that way, you might feel lost. Um, but we come.

We, we, we do lower the plane a little bit and, and camp out on some really, um, interesting aspects of biblical law, like, like Old Testament law of patriarchy versus heterarchy. We teased out what that means. And we, um, there's a lot more kind of more concrete stuff that if you're not philosophical, philosophical minded, you'll definitely love to engage with some, some things that might throw you for a loop, some controversial ideas.

And, uh, if you have any, um, questions or problems with this podcast, please email Drew Johnson. So yeah, this, this is a fun one folks get ready for, uh, get ready for a ride. So please welcome to this show. The one will need Dr. Drew Johnson.

Drew, thanks so much for tuning into the show. A fellow podcaster. My pleasure. I love doing podcasts. It might be, uh, a delight being on this end of things or do you like being on the other on this side? I love being on the other side. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. I kind of, maybe because I, so used to that side, I actually enjoy being on the other side. So if you want, yeah, we can, yeah, absolutely. I'll have you on. I'm always looking for, uh, fresh meat to. So, uh, tell us who you are. Uh, I, you've had a very interesting journey. I would like to encourage people to go on your website and read, um, your autobiography. It is definitely not very vanilla. So, um, can we start with your, uh, skinhead punk rock musician days? Is that a good place to start? I should always, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

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And so they appropriated it for some of their youth gang look or whatever.

And I was a skinhead in Oklahoma in the 80s and so there were certainly Nazi skinheads

around.

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