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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1051: Pete Buttigieg: Dream Bigger, Talk More Boldly

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Democrats need vastly more imagination to confront the enormous challenges the country faces politically, economically, and on climate. The party can't just focus on stopping what is happening in Washington. Meanwhile, Trump can't stop insulting the intelligence of the American people, every part of the political spectrum has something to hate about the reconciliation bill, and libertarians need to speak up about a president disappearing people to a foreign black site. Plus, cracking the manosphere, what Biden could've done differently on Covid, and the era of politicians sticking to their talking points is over.

Pete Buttigieg joins join Tim Miller.
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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullock podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back,

0:17.1

former mayor of South Bend, Transportation Secretary in the Biden administration.

0:25.9

He ran for president in 2020, tied the Iowa caucus. It's Tinker, Mayor, Soldier, Secretary, Pete Buttigieg.

0:26.4

What's up, man?

0:28.4

I'm doing well. Good to see it.

0:30.7

You got a lot of titles now. I don't know what to call you anymore.

0:37.8

Yeah, guys. Let's just stick with Pete. I get a little easier. Pete sounds good. I want to start with news. Then we'll get into, you know,

0:42.5

whither the Democrats, with their democracy and all that. I guess those things are related.

0:50.1

Over the weekend, Trump, both in a bleat on truth social and in a kind of a gaggle outside of an airplane, talked about how Putin's gone crazy. And he's not the same man he wants to

0:56.1

new. And meanwhile, we got the Wall Street Journal reporting this morning that the U.S. is

1:01.0

working on reinforcing Europe's northern front and preparing for an escalating war with Russia

1:06.1

as Russia's taking more territory in Ukraine over the weekend. I'm just wondering what

1:09.8

you make of all that.

1:11.2

I think no one should be surprised to see Putin continuing to play the president. And it's really

1:17.4

tough to watch. It's, again, unsurprising, but still upsetting to see this unravel the way it is.

1:24.4

I mean, I'm pretty sure I remember Trump saying that he would solve the war on

1:28.5

day one. Like most of what he says, I think even as supporters assume that was an exaggeration,

1:33.3

but for it to start getting worse beginning on day one and now be getting much worse as we go

1:39.3

into day 150 or whatever this is of his presidency shows what happens when you have someone who doesn't know

1:45.4

what he's doing and is incapable of standing up to Putin. Yeah, there's actually, in some

1:50.1

circumstances, there's an important distinction between bluster and misjudgment, right? Like a lot of

1:54.7

the Trump's defenders will argue that like a lot of what he says is just bluster and negotiation

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