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Welcome to Raising Good Humans. I'm Dr. Alisa Pressman and today is part two of my conversation

with Professor Thomas Curin, talking about the culture of discontent, social media and perfectionism.

Professor Curin is a psychologist at the London School of Economics. He also wrote an amazing

book called the perfectionism trap, embracing the power of good enough. What I like about this

conversation is, yes, we're getting the research. Yes, we're understanding these concepts.

It's also realistic because you're not going to just cancel social media. So what can we do

to mitigate the effects of social media and our deficit culture while raising good humans?

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And of course, you can reach out to me on Instagram at Raising Good Humans podcast. So let's get back

to this conversation. As kids get older, what are the outside forces that you're seeing

are impacting this perfectionism? And especially because, and I love how you said, it's not this

individual trait. It's relational. The same thing happens with resilience. We always like pin it on

if a person is resilient or not, instead of looking at the wider context of what that means. And

there's so much that is a part of this. And I'm so curious what you've found is impacting

these kids. In particular, I'm interested in social media.

There's a lot to unpack because this is a really big question. I've written a whole book on.

So the short version is this. In around the 1970s, that was what's called a supply side revolution.

And the economy moved from a kind of demand-led economy where people, you know, we manufacture goods

to sell to consume. To the country where we exported or outsourced all that manufacturing,

and we became consumers, we didn't become producers. Now, that created a seismic shift in the way

that our economy worked. And in order for it to continue growing, what it required of us,

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