Hello and welcome to News Roast. My name is Jolly and Rubinstein.

I'm Hayden Proust.

And this is three courses of conversation. Hey, let's find a new metaphor people haven't had of news roast

before well okay so that all right so it's a it's a roast it is where we invite guests to

have a metaphorical roast we're roasting metaphorical chestnuts of issues chestnuts of

issues on the fire of people's intellects and And they, they come around and they bring some

courses, which are metaphorical courses, because they're actually brain food. Yes. And then we sort of, we,

we eat them all three courses. We literally eat their metaphorical brains in a sort of weird

brain eating bonanza. Exactly. It's, it's probably the most middle class metaphor you can possibly imagine for a podcast,

although podcasts are inherently middle class, aren't they?

Well, I don't know if the Zoe Williams episode has come out yet,

but she said, no, no, I get the metaphor.

Yeah.

It's not particularly complicated.

It's not that difficult, is it?

It's three courses of intellectual, you know, bans.

It's bans.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Intellectual bans.

Yeah.

You know, with a tone that's a bit like down the pub.

And today, we've got a very, very special guest, who I'm a big fan of, and I've been reading for very many, very many years.

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