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Welcome to Raising Good Humans. I'm Dr. Lisa Pressman and today my guest host is

one of your really close friends true Barrymore. Thank you so much for joining in the closet.

I'm so happy that we're back full circle to the place where we recorded the very first episode

where in the exact same location, exact same positions, I'll take a photograph when we're done

that will look similar to the one we took when you launched it. And that was pre-pandemic,

pre-everything. We were different people. We knew different things. You and I are inherent

shares. We are looking for collective experiences. We're both constantly trying to figure things out.

And I don't think that we have any ability to keep that information. I think we're very communal

people and I don't think either of us want to feel like we don't have the answers and I think

that neither of us want to feel like know it all. And so where is that sweet spot of trying to

be at a table with numerous people using application of study, personal experience,

learnedness, growth, and share determination to keep learning that burning journey is something

that you and I have no ability to keep to ourselves. And how do you do that without being

and know it all? I think that's a great question. Is a big deal because knowing when to call someone

in and when to say, I've got this? I think it's probably a harder dance and art in business

behind closed doors because you have to strike that boundary of being someone who does have a

vision, but someone who can be a good collaborator. When I go out there, I think I can tap in more to

the side of me that's curious. I think your job is harder to not be and know it all because I have

gone through life embodying the student and I'm hot to trot as a student, but you have taken on the

role of, I mean, there's a lot of words I could choose, but your wise, you are a good leader,

you are a teacher, you are a cultivator and a curator of tremendous amounts of fact-based

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