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A lot of the technical debt that gets built into a company or into a technology, you always plan to go back and kind of redo.

And then coming out of Cosmic Card,

we had all these plans of things that we wanted to change about our architecture.

And so I just got to start Lolly from scratch using a lot of those plans.

So that was a lot of fun, just like right out of the gate,

you know, kick it off with lessons learned.

My name's Matt Center. I'm CTO and co-founder of Lolly.

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I'm your host, Noah Labhart, and today how Matt Center created a new way to earn Bitcoin

easily while you're shopping online.

All this and more on Code Story.

Matt Cinder grew up on a small farm in rural North Carolina, dreaming of being a game programmer.

A dad, a husband, and musician. He keeps extra busy besides being a startup

founder. After selling his prior company, Cosmic Cart, he and his co-founder wanted to make it

easier for people to get into cryptocurrency. Having experience with products like Ebates, they decided to build Lolly, which is a rewards program for shopping online, except the rewards are given in Bitcoin.

So Lolli pretty simply is it's a Bitcoin rewards platform. You shop online, you get Bitcoin back on your purchases at our partner sites.

So it's a, you know, kind of a traditional cashback model with a twist of you get paid in Bitcoin.

So it's, you know, the whole goal of it has been to get people onboarded onto Bitcoin quickly

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