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or if it's somebody to actually write the code of the applications and stuff like that.

But I think at the end of the day, if they don't have a love for podcasting,

if they don't love to listen to podcasts and kind of things like that,

that's a really steep hill to climb into to build something that people are going to love.

I think you need to love it as well. So really early on, when you're really small team,

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