From NBII Studios, this is Truth and Justice, a crowdsourced investigation in real time. I'm Bob Roth. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to truth and justice.

This week in our season where we are highlighting justice warriors, I have a whole crew here with me, and they're from real close to home.

I thought as we were starting our recording here, I could have just went down there and sat in the office with you guys.

There are offices about 10 minutes away from my house. I have three people from the Exoneration

Justice Clinic at the University of Notre Dame. I'll go through real quickly and just kind

of introduce the three people that are here. So we have the founder and executive director,

Professor Jimmy Grulay is here. I have one of the staff

lawyers who helps teach them the classes at the university, Kevin Murphy. And then one of what the

Innocence Project of Texas, they call student attorneys. Andrew made clear he's just about ready to

go take that bar exam. He's not an attorney yet. So attorney in training, Andrew Zimlich. And Andrew worked specifically on the

case that got my attention. And that was the exoneration of a man named Reggie or Reginald Dillard

out of Elkhart, Indiana. Also just right down the road for me. It's actually our co-host,

Zach Weaver, that saw the story and sent it over to me. I reached out. We had a conversation last week about the case, and so we're just going to kind of see where the conversation goes. We're going to walk through. I think Kevin and Andrew will spend some time talking about Reggie's case individual or in particularly. Then we'll kind of move on to Professor Grulay, who will talk about what they're doing over there as a whole at the Exoneration Justice Clinic. So first of all, gentlemen, all three, we thank you guys so much for joining me. Thank you, Bob. Thanks, my pleasure. Thanks for having us, Bob. Yeah, and you guys have done some great work, and we've got so much ground to cover. So we'll get right into the case first. Kevin, you were the staff attorney and you were one of the

attorneys. There were several. Sounds like there's a whole team of attorneys that work with you guys.

But you said you just recently represented Mr. Dillard at his evidentiary hearing that led to

his exoneration. So between you and Andrew, whoever wants to do it, if you guys could, first and

foremost, you know, tell us about this case that just got overturned.

I'm happy to take a first stab of this, and Andrew, you can tell me what I'm missing.

The gist back in the late 90s, an informant in Elkhart by the name of Christopher Thomas, was shot and killed outside of the Three Points Motel where he was living

an Elkhart. At the time, a couple eyewitnesses said that they saw two men who were wearing dark clothing

fleeing the crime scene shortly after the shooting. From there, the case was essentially cold for

several months till an Elkhart detective by the name of Stephen Rizuco, and we'll come back

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