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Hello. Hello, Ahmed. Yeah? Yeah, Ahmed, it's Mary Link calling. I'm sent you an email

a little while ago. So can we talk on signal? Yes, sir. I'm part of that. Sure. Signal?

Yeah, I'm sorry, madam. This is actually the secure app we all use.

It's May 12, 2021. I'm talking to Ahmed Ocas-Guraya in the safest way I can over encrypted phone

calls. Okay, I'll call you back. Okay, thanks, bye. He's a Pakistani human rights activist

and blogger who lives in the Netherlands and he's upset the wrong people. It hasn't been

easy to reach him. Are you still in hiding? Yes, we're like to talk about hiding. Right.

He says he was taken to the safe host, along with his family, by Dutch police. That was

three months ago. He tells me to use his middle name, Ocas. That's what his friends and

family call him. Ocas is well known for his searing online criticism of the Pakistani

military and government corruption. He's also extremely vocal against the illegal state

of duckstions in Baluchistan, but this outspokenness comes with a cost. In 2017 on a trip

back to Pakistan, Ocas says he was kidnapped, along with four other activists, and a coordinated

raid by the ISI, the state's notorious intelligence agency, and thrown into a torture cell.

They hung me, they think my whole body was swollen, black, and my ears were damaged.

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