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Truth & Justice with Bob Ruff

S17 Ep8: The Connection

Truth & Justice with Bob Ruff

Bob Ruff

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.67.2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 August 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Bob breaks down Firearms Examiner Henry Hatch's testimony, as well as another witness to determine if the two crime scenes are connected.

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0:00.0

From NBII Studios, this is Truth and Justice, a crowdsourced investigation in real time. I'm Bob Ruff. After eight weeks of investigating these two crime scenes, the biggest question that we need to have answered before we can begin to piece of timeline and crime scene or scenes reconstruction together is are these two attacks connected?

0:53.2

Did the same offender or offenders shoot and kill,

0:55.8

Sheila Barty and Liz Ayers at the ballfield on Idaho Street,

0:59.3

and then leave that scene and continue the killing spree with Anthony Jeffers,

1:03.2

Angela, and Suzanne Wallace?

1:05.7

Or are these two completely separate incidents that just happened to occur on the same night?

1:12.0

At the end of today's episode, I think that we can definitively answer that question.

1:23.8

Last week, Liz's daughter gave us a pretty big clue.

1:30.3

These weren't five random, unconnected victims. Liz explained that not only did her mother know Anthony Jeffers, but they were friends, close friends, in fact.

1:37.3

Liz herself even knew Amp. In a city with a population of over 100,000 people at the time,

1:44.9

two people who knew each other very well,

1:47.9

who often spent time together,

1:49.7

were both murdered about a mile apart within an hour of each other.

1:55.0

That's a strong start to making a connection.

1:58.2

But to be sure, we need to dig a little deeper.

2:02.6

We're going to begin with the trial testimony of Firearms Examiner, Henry Hatch. Like many of the witnesses at this trial,

2:15.3

Hatch's testimony was pretty short and sweet.

2:18.3

Prosecutors Susan Collins and Allison Benjamin seemed to make a habit of not pulling on any threads too hard in front of the jury.

2:26.3

They get in, draw the basic information that they want the jurors to hear, and get out.

2:32.3

With a weak case like this one, particularly when they have a confession

2:36.6

on the record that doesn't match the evidence, a prosecutor doesn't want the jury to think too hard

2:42.5

about details. Instead, every state's witness is an opportunity to get a little bit of good evidence

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