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The Expert Witness from Uncover

S16: “Kuper Island” E8: Every Child Matters

The Expert Witness from Uncover

CBC

True Crime

4.510.9K Ratings

🗓️ 2 August 2022

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

The team tracks down the last person to ever see Richard Thomas alive at Kuper Island Residential School. Donnie Sampson was just 10 years old at the time and has disturbing memories of the day — that include a familiar and problematic name from the past. Host Duncan McCue takes the results of the investigation back to Richard’s sister Belvie who must decide what to do next. In Penelakut, the community rallies around their children — the new generation, the adult survivors still healing, and all the ones who never came home. For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/kuper-island-transcripts-listen-1.6622551

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0:00.0

I am going to tell you a story that a powerful state doesn't want you to know about tens of thousands who have disappeared.

0:07.5

Once they get into the hands of the military, they will be tortured brutally.

0:11.8

It's a story so dangerous to tell that for some it's meant ending up on a kill list.

0:17.5

She was seen as a dangerous political actor and tried to Pakistan security, but she was a local hero.

0:23.5

The kill list, a six-part investigative podcast, available now.

0:28.0

Get early access to episodes at cbc.ca slash listen or by subscribing to the cbc true crime premium channel on Apple podcasts.

0:39.0

This is a cbc podcast.

0:43.0

Before we start, this is a podcast about Canada's Indian residential schools and it contains descriptions of sexual violence, suicide and abuse.

0:52.0

If you need support, you can find information about where to turn for help at cbc.ca slash keeper island.

1:01.0

Every child matters. That's the slogan that's come to represent a movement to acknowledge the damage done by the residential school system.

1:09.0

In this podcast, you've heard one child's name over and over, Richard Thomas.

1:15.0

The boy who died at the keeper island school who so many wanted us to know about.

1:20.0

Here's the official version of how he died.

1:24.0

On June 2, 1966, he's last seen by the oblates at breakfast.

1:30.0

It's not until late that night they realize he's missing.

1:33.0

Then, two oblates find Richard hanging in the gym.

1:38.0

Police are called in and conclude it was a suicide.

1:42.0

During the investigation police interview three of his classmates, two of those boys have since passed away.

1:48.0

But one is still alive. The one deemed to be most credible by police.

1:54.0

He's now in his 60s. He's hard of hearing, which he blames on all the hits to his head delivered by the oblates at Cupid.

2:01.0

He was extremely difficult to track down.

2:04.0

So, after months of trying, when I finally managed to reach Donnie Samson on the phone, I asked to record the call.

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