From NBII Studios, this is Truth and Justice, a crowdsourced investigation in real time.

I'm Bob Roth.

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to truth and justice.

For today's episode, I have Mr. Bob Mata and Ms. Lauren Bright Pacheco.

And guys, during between seasons, I try to interview some other podcasters that are doing real work in the space, not just telling stories, but are out investigating, doing real work to try to highlight and promote their work while we're between cases and reading up on our own. Of course, we've had Bob on before. Lauren, I feel like we've had you on

before, maybe on True Crime binge back in the day. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. Talking about murder in Oregon.

Yeah. And you've also done murder in Illinois, right? It's another series you did. So a bunch of my listeners, immediately, I started getting all these messages saying,

you need to get Bob and Lauren on for Murder on Songbird Road.

And I was, this was like two weeks ago.

I'm like, I don't even know what that is.

I've never even heard.

I just had Bob.

Bob is in Delphi.

There's no way he's doing another podcast right now. And I spent, I just told we talked before we came on

the air today that both Bob and Lauren were kind enough to take showers and clean themselves

up before they were on the video version for the patrons. I am wearing my stinky gym clothes,

which by the way, your fault because I turned on episode one of murder on songbird road on my way to the gym and then continued

listening to it.

And so I spent like an extra 35 minutes on the treadmill because I couldn't stop until I got to the

end of it.

My God, this, like I understand now why everybody wanted to have you guys on.

This one, Bob and I have both described it as a ricochet roller coaster. It will keep everybody guessing for a

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