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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

S14, Ep4 How To Fail: Natasha Brown

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

Sony Music

Society & Culture

4.89.4K Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2022

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Natasha Brown is the author behind one of my favourite novels of recent years. Assembly runs to 100-pages and has already been compared to Virginia Woolf's Mrs Dalloway. It was shortlisted for both the Folio and the Goldsmiths Prize, as well as being named the Foyles Bookshop Book of the Year. It tells the story of an unnamed Black British woman working at a bank in the city, who is confronted with the numbing aggression of racist encounters and systems as she confronts a life-or-death decision.
When I first met Natasha, I knew I had to get her on the podcast. She is so wise, clever and emotionally intelligent. She talks to me about failures in social media, learning French and a tele-sales job that taught her about the power of language itself. We also discuss how she feels about failure given her objective levels of success, the concept of separating your own identity from what it is you do, race as a construct and what 'privilege' really means (if anything). Also: what she learned from studying Maths at university (yes, she's one of a select bunch of novelists with a Maths degree, including David Foster Wallace...).

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Assembly by Natasha Brown is now out in paperback and available here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/444/444275/assembly/9780241992661.html

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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day is hosted by Elizabeth Day, produced by Naomi Mantin and Chris Sharp. To contact us, email howtofailpod@gmail.com

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Social Media:

Elizabeth Day @elizabday

How To Fail @howtofailpod

Natasha Brown @wordsbynatasha

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.8

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0:09.0

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0:12.1

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0:15.1

bring your skis for a glide.

0:18.3

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0:21.3

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0:24.4

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0:27.6

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0:43.8

Hello and welcome to How to Fail with Elizabeth Day.

0:47.4

The podcast that celebrates the things that haven't gone right.

0:51.8

This is a podcast about learning from our mistakes

0:54.8

and understanding that why we fail ultimately makes us stronger.

0:59.2

Because learning how to fail in life actually means learning how to succeed better.

1:05.2

I'm your host, author and journalist Elizabeth Day,

1:08.1

and every week I'll be asking a new interviewee

1:11.2

what they've learned from failure.

1:13.8

Natasha Brown spent a decade working in financial services

1:17.9

before writing her first novel.

1:20.2

She is a Cambridge math graduate

1:22.4

and therefore versed in the art of concision.

1:25.4

So perhaps it was no surprise that the resulting slim volume

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