Hello and welcome back to Drilled, season 14, obstruction.

In our Carbon Bros season, we talked about one way that climate obstruction intersects with

the far right, the rigid enforcement of gender norms and the feminizing of a politics of care,

care for the environment and for each other.

Today, we're digging into the history of far-right approaches to the environment in general

and how that history informs how right-wing campaigners in the U.S. and beyond approach climate issues

today.

I'm joined in the first half of the show by Jesse Bryant, a researcher at Yale

University who studies far-right conceptions of nature. And in the second half by Dieter Ploway,

a lecturer at University Kessel in Germany, who studies the intersection of far-right politics and

environmental issues in Europe.

I found both conversations absolutely fascinating and really helpful for understanding the context we're dealing with in many parts of the world at the moment.

I hope you find them helpful too.

Here we go.

Hey, drilled listeners. I wanted to recommend another podcast that I've been listening to.

I've been really enjoying it. It's called Cited. And it's about the politics of science and

research. So very tied into all the things that we are talking about this season and that we talk about a lot on this podcast.

Their new season is called Green Dreams.

Each episode tells the story of a utopian thinker and their dreams for our green future.

You'll learn about prominent environmental theorists

across the ideological spectrum

and about some lesser-known figures

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