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S14, Ep1 | Welcome to the World of Obstruction

Drilled

Critical Frequency

True Crime, Earth Sciences, Social Sciences, Science

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 September 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

For at least a decade now, there’s been growing agreement around the fact that what’s stopping the world from addressing the climate crisis is not a lack of data or scientific certainty, or a lack of technological or policy measures available to address it. The problem is a lack of political will. And that didn't just happen; political will has been intentionally obstructed at every turn. As we gear up for the 30th UN climate summit, a new book pulls together everything we know about how this happened and what can be done about it. To prep for COP, Amy's reading the whole thing and talking to the researchers along the way. In today's episode, Amy's joined by Timmons Roberts (Brown University), Jennifer Jacquet (University of Miami), Carlos Milani (Rio de Janeiro State University), and Christian Downie (Australian National University) to through an overview of what we're dealing with and what we can expect in the year ahead. You can check out the book here: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/climate-obstruction-9780197787151?cc=us⟨=en& And download it for free from that same link after October 14th! You can also check out the Climate Social Science Network here: https://cssn.org/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

For more than a decade now, maybe more than two decades, people have been talking about how the things stopping us from acting on the climate crisis is not so much science or technology.

0:14.0

It's not about understanding the problem or even having the technology to do something about it, but about political will.

0:23.5

We have enough data.

0:25.0

We know how greenhouse gas emissions change the atmosphere.

0:29.3

We know how they'll continue to change it.

0:32.3

We know what the impacts of those changes will be.

0:35.5

We know that human activity is the largest source of those gases

0:39.5

by far, and we have all sorts of good and viable options for doing things differently.

0:45.8

And yet, no government on earth has managed to do what's required to adequately address this problem.

0:54.3

And every international body form to deal with it remains hopelessly incapable of doing so.

1:00.8

In a few months, I'll be headed to the 30th Conference of the Parties,

1:05.3

the annual climate summit that brings together all the members of the UN Framework on Climate Change Convention and asks

1:13.0

them to figure out a way to work together on this problem.

1:17.3

We've covered the crisis of legitimacy facing that body before, but it's more dire than ever

1:24.3

right now.

1:25.0

And it does not help that the U.S. has adopted the toddler approach

1:29.6

to climate change, pretending it isn't there and hoping that does the trick. In the lead

1:35.4

up to the conference, I got my hands on a new book that's been pulled together by the Climate

1:39.6

Social Science Network at Brown University. It's an exhaustive global survey of the peer-reviewed research on climate obstruction,

1:48.2

which might sound boring and academic, but if you're a listener to this show, you know that

1:53.0

I love to nerd out on some social science.

1:56.0

This is the first book of its kind because climate obstruction is a relatively new field of research,

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