S13 Ep158: The Juan That Got Away
The Cycling Podcast
The Cycling Podcast
4.7 • 3K Ratings
🗓️ 22 December 2025
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
Before Dani Arribas reports back from Ayuso’s curious ‘welcome’ press conference in Spain, Daniel Friebe and Lionel Birnie give their impressions on the newly unveiled 2026 Vuelta a España route. On paper it may be the hardest Grand Tour in recent memory. But will that make for exciting racing on the road?
The second and third parts of the episode feature exclusive interviews with Ayuso and also one of the men charged with coaxing the best out of him in his new team: Lidl-Trek’s Head of Performance, Josu Larrazabal.
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| 0:00.0 | you are listening to the cycling podcast hello and welcome Hello and welcoming you for the final time in 2025, the year of the Pog again, pretending we were fluent in UCI points before the third week in October, and me realizing that high rocks is just cyclocross for people who don't want mud on their Lulu Lemon. |
| 0:38.0 | My name is Daniel Freibor and I am the host of this episode of the Cycant Podcast in which |
| 0:41.5 | we will lock into review, not preview mode, and think specifically about what 2026 may hold |
| 0:47.0 | for one of the more controversial figures of 2025. |
| 0:50.5 | That is Juan Ayuso, now of Little Trek, not you, A, Team Emirates. joining me for the final time before we slay ride off into the festive holidays. It is the bearded wonder of not Lapland, but not Watford. Lionel Bernie. Merry Christmas, Daniel. Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates. Season's greetings and happy holidays and so on to everyone. Well, we're going to turn Scrooge straight away, Lionel, because you might be wondering about the reference to high rocks and cyclo cross. I was just one of our colleagues, Ned Bolting, I think he's done a podcast, Room 101 style podcast, and it got me wondering if we ever did such a thing, how I would resist the urge to chuck. If it was cycling related, |
| 1:29.0 | I'd probably chucked to cycle across in there. If it was non-cycling related, I'd |
| 1:31.7 | probably chuck high rocks in there. This probably tells you a lot about, there were my |
| 1:35.6 | internet algorithm, obviously my Instagram algorithm, because I've run, it's full of sort of |
| 1:41.1 | anti-high rocks propaganda and this is is probably this has, this has influenced my |
| 1:46.4 | worldview on such things I would say. Anyway, that was a long digression. |
| 1:50.1 | I mean, Daniel, it's Christmas. It's tis the season for cyclocross. Cyclocross couldn't |
| 1:55.3 | be busier over the next couple of weeks. Christmas and New Year. I might punish you here by just mentioning a little bit |
| 2:03.1 | of the cycler cross before we go over to Juan Ayuso. That reference was also very strategic |
| 2:09.3 | to tee you up for a mention of cyclocross. Do you want to save that? Do you want to save that? Yeah, |
| 2:14.7 | save it. We'll save that. Well, Lionel, as I said, we are mainly, we had another, we're going to have another bulletin |
| 2:22.7 | dispatch from Spain, me in conversation with Danny Arribas, who was at the Little Trek Training |
| 2:27.8 | Camp Media Day, which was about 10 days ago now, two weeks ago now, and he was there mainly for an audience with Juan |
| 2:35.8 | Ayuso, who obviously was the big, some new arrival for Little Trek, the big story of that |
| 2:41.1 | media day, his departure from UAE, and we will hear later on whether he wanted to broach |
| 2:49.6 | that subject or not, But that's going to be |
| 2:52.5 | the main part of the podcast today. I hope everyone finds it interesting. But before that, |
| 2:57.6 | Lionel, the bit of important news to catch up on, mainly news from Spain, in fact, because |
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