You are listening to the cycling podcast. Hello and joining you after a weekend when a 40-year-old English lawyer showed those chumps in the world taught exactly how to beat Tadei Pogaccia.

I gratefully accept a five-minute head start for a 14-kilometer charity.

He'll climb the morning after Lombardy.

My name's Daniel Freiber.

I am the host of this episode of the cycling podcast in which we will, yes, review the unsuccessful giant killing attempts on Saturday.

And perhaps also ponder how and if the Slavalion might get yanked back to Earth in 2026.

Joining me to do that today, his head is not on Mars, but in Mallorca, like the rest of his anatomy, I think. It is Roberto Hatch.

Hola.

And joining us from his space station in Not Watford is cycling podcast, an extraterrestrial who's calming, cooling down. We've had a heated debate already.

Before we started recording today about guess what is Taday Pogacos,

domination, boring or not?

That might be continued later on.

Hang on a minute.

Misrepresentation already.

The word boring was not used.

This sport's got a problem. On the exact problem. Well, it's got several problems, but,

we'll get into it a bit later. But I think reducing this to a sort of binary discussion about what is

boring and what is entertaining, as you said, Daniel, kind of overlooks the fact that different people watch cycling

for different reasons. They're looking for

different things or indeed sport. Sport speaks

to people in so many different ways.

The cheesecake of engagement.

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