From NBI Studio, this is Truth Injustice, a crowdsourced investigation in real time.

I'm Bob Brun.

With all the talk about the business card and the DNA, what things were important to the

lead investigator and what things were overlooked, discussions about point of origin, an area

of disturbance and a hole.

It's time today that we take a detailed look at how this investigation was conducted,

in the words of the lead investigator himself.

This is season 12, episode 40, LaClaire's testimony, R1.

Texas Ranger James Holland is a legendary interrogator.

They call him the serial killer Whisperer.

You can't hide those indications, and that's why yesterday I knew that you did it.

But now, shocking interrogation tapes reveal how the supercop really operates.

And that's why they asked me to come in, because I'm special.

From something else, the Marshall Project and Sony Music Entertainment, this is Smoke

Screen.

Just say, you're sorry.

Listen and follow on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Stitcher, or wherever you

get your podcast.

Gary LaClaire's testimony is 170 pages long, and he was recalled again later in the trial.

I made it through 127 pages this week before I had to stop and write this episode.

What we're going to be covering today is all of direct examination, all of John Dolan's

cross-examination, and about half of Jeff Moore's cross-examination.

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