Welcome to the Code Newby Podcast, where we talk to people on their coding journey and

notice of helping you on yours. I'm your host, Ron, and today we're talking about Vanilla

JavaScript with Chris Ferdinandhi, author of the Vanillajs Pocket Guide series, and creator of the

Vanillajs Academy Training Program. For me of the VanillaJS Academy Training Program.

For me, the web is a bit of a bloated mess right now, and the front-end build process is really

complicated. I think we've really over-engineered what we do in a lot of ways. Chris talks about

how he went from HR professional to JavaScript expert, the pros of getting rid of all that tooling and learning good old-fashioned vanilla

JavaScript.

And why this is relevant, not only from a personal perspective, but from a public safety

perspective as well.

After this.

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Thanks for having me. I'm really glad to be on. So let's start by hearing more about your coding journey. How did you get into coding? In a very roundabout way, actually. So I'm a little bit like a bit of a Winnie the Pooh. I just kind of drift from thing that interests me to thing that interests me. I'm not really... Uh-huh. I know a lot of folks like to have a plan of how they're going to get from A to B, but that was never me. I cycled through, I think,

about five or six majors in college before settling in on anthropology. And senior year in college,

I realized that as much as I loved learning about this stuff, I had no interest in actually doing it

professionally. And kind of by happenstance found myself working in human resources as like an HR professional

for a little while.

I had a lot of really strong opinions about what HR was doing poorly and how I'd like to

see things change just as a profession.

And so I started blogging about it.

And I really wanted to have more control over the look and feel of how my WordPress blog looked and things that it did. So I started

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