Welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Geoffrey Wansaw and I'm doing another solo one,

because Molly's very busy. I'm pleasure to be with you and I'm doing another solo one because Mott is very busy.

I'm pleasure to be with you again. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting us both.

And I do hope you find this slightly altered format, least interesting.

I thought I'd begin this morning by talking about the police.

This is specifically about Britain,

but there have been similar incidents in other countries.

Policing is a very difficult art

and requires the public's consent,

but it is also sometimes very divisive. And we've had a case in London recently of a 24-year-old black man, Chris Kava, who was shot and killed by armed police on Streatham Hill, just off Streatham Hill in South London.

The police had stopped the car on the basis of the number plate because it had an entry in the police computer about being associated with gun crime.

In fact, no gun was found in the car.

And in fact, only one shot was fired.

But sadly, it cost Chris's life, a man who was about to become a father for the first time.

We have no way. There's a elaborate investigation into what's actually happened and why,

and I'm not going to prejudge any of that. I would simply make a point that it is very difficult

in the spur of the moment,

in a split second, to always make the right decisions. And there should be systems that allow

those decisions to be investigated. I'm not sympathising with the officers who beat up

George Floyd and effectively launched Black Lives Matter.

Nor am I defending any officer who misuses his power.

But I am very conscious that we ask an awful lot of the police,

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