I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansall and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties.

Hi everyone welcome back to the blood ties podcast I'm Molly Wonson. I'm here with my father, Geoffrey Wonsall.

Hi, everyone, welcome back. Thank you for listening. It's a delight to be back with Molly, who's been busy with other things, but here we are together.

Hi.

And Moe is very, she's very chastened because she was a bit late.

I was very late.

I was just told us, I was just running an hour behind schedule.

And I fell over and couldn't get up. So we're a pair of complete nitwits.

Disaster.

We're falling to part, Geoffrey.

I'm falling apart, Molly.

We're both falling apart.

Well, I don't know.

I'm comparatively pleased.

I've got going and I'm organised and I'm up and done.

And I've done what I think is a very interesting case.

Good I.

Let me tell you why.

Not long ago, about a couple of weeks, I went to Eastbourne in East Sussex,

he's on the south coast of England and it's very genteel. It was originally

mostly owned, and I think most of it still is owned, by the Duke of Devonshire. And it became a sort

of retirement community. Unfortunately, that gentility has tended to weaken because like a lot of the south coast of

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