You're listening to El Classico, the cycling podcast at the 2023 Vuelta España from Barcelona

to Madrid. Today we are in Iscar.

You are indeed listening to El Classico. My name is Daniel Friber. I am the host of this episode,

and I am indeed in Iscar on a day when La Vuelta España resumed its journey next to Sugar

Beat Plant, and it was all sweetness and light, relatively speaking. I think we can say between

Jumbo Vismas, Dutch, not Dutch leaders, between their three leaders, the Dutch team, Jumbo Vismas,

and their three leaders. The refinery in question in La Bagnefa this morning belongs to the

Azucarera Concern, and found itself at the centre of controversy a couple of years ago when

in response to a Spanish government health campaign entitled Sugar Kills La Bagnefa's Mayor,

publicly lamented that the government was trying to, literally, kill sugar. Joining me tonight

is a man of honey tones, but also opinions that are never candidated. It's not Watford's line

or burning. Good evening Daniel, whereabouts are you? It sounds like you're in quite a busy bar

there somewhere. I am in quite a busy bar, just adjacent to the finish line. I think there's a bit

of a fiesta going on in Iskar after the stage, and it's also Friday night, and as often is the case

at La Bueza España and other races, the press room today is in a sports centre, and the bar

of the sports centre has started to fill up. I would be outdoors outside the press room, usually,

or we usually around by the dust bins aren't we at the back, but the heavens have just opened

Lionel, and we're the wind starting to blow. We talked yesterday about the Australian weather

that spared us. Today we're back in sort of dust bowl Spain. However, we've got some fairly,

well, inclement, a studiant style weather. Lionel, though, can you kill sugar? Will anyone ever kill sugar?

I doubt it. I doubt it. I mean, sugar is probably here to stay, isn't it?

I would say so. I would say so. And I said in my intro, sweetness and light at Jumbo Visma

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