I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansall and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone, welcome back. Thank you for listening. Thank you for being there. Thank you for supporting us.

Thank you for your letters and emails, all of which are much, much appreciated. And suggestions.

Oh yeah. Thank you for your suggestions for cases I found these ones that this one particularly from something

I've been preparing for something else and so to some extent it's I know the case

because I've prepared it for Britain's most evil killers, I think.

Uh-huh.

But we do very much appreciate your suggestions and...

Yes, please, please.

I do write them down and I do give them to difference.

Yes, I have a list, which we are working our way through, actually.

One of the themes that occurred to Molly and I,

sometimes we seem to get locked into a strand.

At one point, we had an awful lot of child killing, didn't we?

Yeah.

Got very difficult.

Yeah.

So I try and stay away from that now.

I thought it was very interesting.

I don't know if you saw it, that the man who killed his fiancé and his wife, the book author,

he killed her and buried her in the cesspit.

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