I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansel and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called Blood Ties

Hi everyone welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast.

I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone, welcome back.

Thank you for listening.

Thank you for listening to these sometimes rather strange stories that we come up with.

All of them, I think, give a view of the world which may be a bit dark,

but it's intriguing to me how many people are fascinated.

I constantly get people either stopping me or emailing me or saying,

this is just, it's, I don't know why I'm fascinated, but I am in the whole question of true crime.

Yeah.

Well, it's not just, it's not just true crime, is it?

Because it's so many elements and so much more that you can be interested in.

You know, the human psyche, it's relationships,

it's nature versus nurture, it's...

Yes, it's such a thing as being born evil.

You know, it's a myriad of questions and...

Yes, I got an email this week from a man who was a category A prisoner

saying, I know some people are born evil.

Oh, interesting.

Hmm.

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