The Ricky Javees Show on Guardian Unlimited.

You're listening to Ricky Javise with me Stephen Merchant and Carl Pilkington.

Now you probably know me from such works as The Office and Extras, Stephen being my co-writer and co-director

on those things. For those people who were not so aware of Carl Pilkington, he was our producer

sort of given to us when we first started on XFM, and you're thinking, well, why are we doing

a podcast? Why are we doing a podcast for for no money? Is it no money? No. It's free, it's free download. But this is, yeah, this is what I'm here to answer. It's because I like to be in a room with Carl Pilkington. You know, like some people go and help sort of chimps. Do they? Yeah. Well, they go to the, you know, the jungles and things. Help out a little sort of endangered species. Dian Fossey or whatever. Exactly. You're very much the Dian Fosse of the Manchester scene. Of the little bald Mank world. And Carl Pilkin, to me, is an ongoing experiment for me, because I've seen him blossom from an idiot into an. And I want to see it through. Look at the way he's looking at us through the glass. Look at that. He's got a perfectly round head. And that's why I'm doing this podcast, or bodcast, as I'm going to call it in his honour. Little round-headed bod-type freak. If you're not familiar with bod, we can maybe put up a picture of bod,

the popular cartoon kid's character. Go to Viggageabase.com and you will see a picture of Carl and a picture of bod. And you draw your own conclusions as to the likeness. Carl, what do you think about all this? That's all right. You excited by this new technology? What? Podcasts. Yeah, exactly. Um, it's just, I mean, we are living in that sort of era now, aren't we?

You need to, yeah, to listen to stuff on demand when you want it and stuff.

I know you're not a fan of the iPod in general, or any of the MP3 things.

You're concerned.

I'm warming to it.

This is what's amazing up Clark.

Even though he's talking about things like MP3 players, computers, iPods, he sounds like he's... He was found in a glacier and thawed out. Do you know what I mean? They're sort of taught to speak. We're a couple of high school guys who found him, and we're trying to ingratiate him in the gang, trying to pass him off of someone from the modern day.

No, no.

But my thing with iPods is, now, do we need them?

Do you know what I mean?

We're living in that era now where we have invented most of the stuff that we need.

And now we're just messing about.

They said that in 1900. Someone actually said everything that's to be invented has already been about. They said that in 1900.

Someone actually said everything that's to be invented has already been invented.

They said that in 1900.

And how wrong were they?

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