This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub.

All right, we're here with Nora Yaya and Topeka K Sam. I want to take us to church for a second because in what we're actually talking about when you talk about love is God and Topeka you were at the Potter's house in Dallas

TD jakes we can get to talk about her on the air but I want to know let me tell you

TD jakes has a book called The Crushing. Mm. It's so powerful.

I haven't to read it.

Yes, and he's talking about how in the crushing is where you make the wine.

The wine is made in the crushing of the grape

and we have to be crushed in order to be made into a new better thing

or a new more purposeful thing.

So he, how are you, tell me how you ended up at the Potter's house.

So, it is the Potter's house.

I was on the phone with Van Jones talking one day.

And, um...

Her name dropping.

I mean, me and Van, we were, we were on the phone, chatting. We were chatting. And Bishop

Jake's called in on the other line. And he was like, Bishop, he's a Bishop Jackson Bishop Jackson call he said I'm a three

I'm a merge you in and I was like wait what and he did and he told him who I

was and I explained to him that when I was inside I read Women that Art Loosed and how I used to watch him

every Sunday and that when I saw one of the videos where he had been inside of a

women's prison and was ministering to the women and it was actually

where you can see him in the prison that gave me the vision to do the symposiums that I had

did where I was able to do that around like 11 law schools around the country.

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