This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the show. I thought it was important as well on this

Wednesday to have a discussion with somebody who could help us get through but

also start to frame how we work together moving forward.

She is an amazing psychologist centered,

centered.

She's been here before.

She'll be back again.

Let me welcome Dr. Jamilla

Codrington. Welcome back. Thank you. It's so good to be here, Karen and

Loree. I hope you all have been well since we last spoke.

Yeah, how are you? How are you COVID-ing? How does a psychologist deal with mental health?

How do you because physicians can't necessarily take care of themselves,

and they often don't.

How are you doing?

You know, it's been a roller coaster ride.

I have to be honest. In the very beginning, I think I had a lot of fuel in my tank. I was sort of headstrong on doing everything that came my way in terms of healing circles and

virtual Zoom listening circles and taking on just the burden of COVID when it comes to mental health and wellness.

And you know, one of the things that is difficult is that sometimes you can preach something,

you know, in terms of self-care and understanding the impact of stress as a silent killer.

But when you are in a helping profession

and you are also a person of African descent

and it's not a lot of us, and there's

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