This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub. Tonight is a dream of mine and I've wanted to talk to his brother for so long. I watch him of course on social media as I say and and then I get to talk to Dr. Car every Saturday and and it is almost like a

symbiotic relationship you know between what you do Michael and what we're doing on

Saturdays and you're watching and it's just you know I feel like this is

where we we must be at this time at a time at a time such as this so I want to just

again thank you for coming in I do feel like I know you too.

I'm fascinated by you.

I believe I read somewhere that you were homeschooled.

Yeah, I was homeschooled until I was 12 years old and I didn't find out until I just thought you know my mom was kind of hippie-ish kind of wonders an old black panther and I always thought that and then I was writing about it last year and I asked her about it like kind of a formal interview which I'd never done with her, and she told me that she was conducting an experiment with my sisters and I.

And she said a quote that I will never forget. She said she didn't think a

didn't think a black person's humanity

can be fully realized in the presence of whiteness.

And I never forgot that quote.

And so yeah, I was home school, which kind of like set the stage for my life and kind of this journey of self learning.

I always say, years before I really ever learned anything in a

classroom like so yeah it was kind of the template for my childhood

Dr. Carr talks about jailbreaking the university, but I think we're doing more than just

jailbreaking the university and even for me sitting with him sitting literally at his feet every Saturday I'm reminded that

everything that I've been taught has always been through the lens of white folk and

my parents my parents were not Black Panthers but you know they were pretty my father at least was very socially conscious my mother raised in Augusta, Georgia had some of that you know indoctrination coming through

But my dad was really like that guy.

And even going to school, I, you know, I'm just now unlearning some things thanks to Dr. Carr.

So when I see somebody like you who's

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