This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub.

Had a great interview with De Mario Solomon Simmons and we talked about Black Wall Street and the

Terrence Crutcher case, but he also lit a fire under people about serving on juries and the importance of civic engagement and knowing your rights.

I hope you enjoy this interview with De Mario Solomon Simmons.

How did you get involved with the whole

Terrence Crutcher case?

How did you get that call?

Well, I've been doing civil rights work in Tulsa

and throughout the nation.

And unfortunately, when that happened at home home I actually went to school with

Terrence Crutcher's twin sister Dr. Tiffany Crutcher and she called me

tell me what happened and it was just a really a shock to see the video and once we saw what actually

happened at Terrence that he had his hands up he was walking away he was at a

safe distance there was absolutely no reason for him to be shot we just really

could not believe that this had happened and it happened right

literally up the street from where I grew up and where my mama lives. So I had to get

involved and I had to try to seek justice for this family because that's what I do.

You know law is my ministry, justice is my passion, so that's what I do you know law is my ministry justice is my passion so that's what I do

my clients come to me know that I'm a fight for them I'm a stand for them I'm gonna

speak for them we're in an era where unfortunately your your particular job is

overrun like you have you have more than enough cases.

It's ridiculous. Yeah you know you Benjamin Kromp and others are you know unfortunately

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