This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub. They say this is a big rich town. I just come from the poorest part. Bright light

city life. I gotta make it. This is where it goes down. I just happen to come up hard, legal or legal baby. I got to make it.

All right, well, so this is the theme of Power, which kicks off Sunday for its final season.

Now, a lot of people watch it.

I watch it as one of my favorite shows.

It is, yeah, the rallying cry around Ghost and Tasha and Tommy and all of them, I just, you know, I feel like it's the American story.

If we think about America, and we've been talking a lot

about America's founding, 1619, founded on the backs, of course,

of bondage and black folk, but also founded with an eye towards robin, stealing, raping,

and all, I mean that's foundational.

We see, we've seen it, we see it right now. Yes, we have a thief, liar, all kinds of degenerate morals, lack thereof,

in the White House currently, the Kennedy's with their Camelot on the foundation of bootleging.

This country, robber barons is what they were called,

right?

The people that built industry in America, robber barons.

They were the barons that stole. And if we talk about the stock market and all of the folks that are very, very wealthy, a lot of them got to the place that they got to make and move. So listen, you know, from the wire to Power to Scarface to The

Godfather to Tony Soprano, you know, this culture actually celebrates people who find their way to make it legal or legal baby.

I gotta make it.

That's the American dream.

But it's also fun.

Okay, so Power is a fun show and I had a conversation with Jason Johnson about it and it was really fun.

It was a great conversation.

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