This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub.

All right, the book is called What White People Can Do Next, from Allyship to Coalition Building

What is this? I don't know, but let me welcome to the show Emma de Berry welcome to the Karen Hunter show

I really liked your little pause before you said the name. The title is a click baby title. I'm not going to lie.

Yes it is. Yes it is. My sister from across the pond. Now we're having an American conversation but I imagine it's a global conversation right and uh because

whiteness whiteness is a political and uh social structure designed for um to in power, right?

It is a fairly new.

You did a whole dissertation on the coming of white,

like when the whiteness come.

So let's talk about that because I think even so-called white people

don't understand that they're part of a political assassination on black folk. Like you're part of

something, right? So break that down dr de beary I would say it's a

political actually I would say it is a wholesale assassination on the on the world not just not just restricted to even just an

assassination on black folk so whiteness you know we believe we're taught that race is just what we are, it's just a biological truth, but when you actually study

whiteness and blackness, you come to realize, you come to see that the idea of white people, the notion that white people, that white people exist as a race is so recent in human history. It's only first we first

appears in the in the 17th century in the late, late 1600s. Before that, you know when people say, okay, there's been this, oh, there's been racism for millennia. That is emphatically untrue. The type of racism that exists today, you know, anti-Blackness, white superiority, white supremacy, that type of racism has only existed since the 17th century.

Which coincides with the Portuguese heading to this continent and discovering, oh, gold, and there's all this other,

oh, black bodies, wait a minute, wait a minute, we could, up, up, let's put them in the holes of the

ship along with the gold and all the other things that we're getting from this continent that has everything.

Oh my goodness.

Yeah, so it is...

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