Over the last, I don't know, 15 years or so, the art of making software fragmented a lot,

and then we kind of split into different roles.

Each role kind of use their own tool, use their own artifact.

They think in their own kind of words and lingo.

With cursor, things kind of flip again.

For the first time, that design is such an approachable concept

and skill set to a lot more people.

And it brings together sort of people who have aspirations for design

and wanting to build things, wanting to prototype things,

putting beautiful stuff out in the world.

There needs to be something for the human to specify what is good, what is right, how I want to do it.

If you don't put in that opinion, it will just produce AI's law.

People will always have their strength or their unique, special skill.

I see AI almost like, it's almost like a universal interface.

So design is kind of like trying to figure out what is the best configuration

and the simplest state for all of us.

The beauty is actually putting things all together.

What happens when the designer becomes the developer? What happens when the designer becomes the developer?

When mock-ups that used to dye in Figma can suddenly become living products in minutes.

My guests today are Jennifer Lee, general partner at A16Z and Rio Lou, head of design at

Cursor, the AI code editor that's collapsing the traditional boundaries

between design and engineering. Ryo spent years at Notion and Asana, watching his designs

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