If you don't enforce crime, what you end up is with lost generations. If I woke up in 10 years and all we had done was put a lot of people in prison, it's actually double bad. Yeah. Well, we're throwing people away, right? Like, you know, that's the worst possible thing. So the best thing is to say, hey, look, if you commit crimes, you're going to get caught. And then that kind of changes the societal incentives and the culture and

everything else. I mean, look, if I can become a criminal and make like 10x what I can make in a

minimum wage job as an entry thing, like, you know, like, and then in my neighborhood, it's not even,

like, there's no social stigma with it. In fact, like, you're looked up upon if you're a criminal.

It's just too easy,

and it's just too much. It's a societal failure for everybody who's in that situation.

Outside of Vegas, the international average is around 47% clearance rates. You have a coin flip.

For murder. You have a 53% chance of getting away with murder. A clip coin. Ironic part is when we do get criticisms, people that are less familiar with technology, I laugh because I'm like, do your eyes if the federal government wanted to find you, a license rate reader is the dumbest way to do it. I will just get a cell phone dump. Yeah. And I will know your exact location in real time at all time. By the way, which is Yes, but it's way more effective. So I think for the privacy thing, it's quite false.

The trust is real, though. And so if you go to some communities, they do not trust their police

department. Yeah. Imagine if a major American city actually set a goal to eliminate crime,

not just manage it. What would that take in practice and what would it feel like for the people who live there every day?

In today's episode, we get as close to that question as you can in the real world.

I'm joined by Garrett Langley, founder and CEO of Flock Safety, and Ben Horowitz, co-founder of A16Z.

Garrett and his team are behind a lot of the new intelligent policing

infrastructure you're starting to see in cities, from license play readers and gunshot detection

to drones and real-time crime centers. Bet has been working with Las Vegas on a very

public experiment in using that technology to drive crime down while actually improving trust

in the police. We talk about what a serious national strategy to reduce crime would look like,

from staffing and culture to products and policy.

We get into the Teach for America idea for policing,

why clearance rates are collapsing in most cities but rising in Vegas,

how to think about defund the police versus public safety,

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