Welcome once again to get to the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your

face John Harris Harris we have a

reoccurring guest now I guess I can say that because Ryan Turnip Seed this is your what

second or third time on the podcast this would be my second time. Thank you for having me.

Welcome. Yes, welcome. I guess I've talked about you before.

So this is the third time I think I've talked about you on the podcast.

You weren't here the first time.

But this is important, I think think for those who are in the Missouri

Synod Lutheran Church to understand what's going on in their denomination and

one of the things that's going on is you've essentially been excommunicated from the denomination.

And last time you were on, you were under the minor ban of discipline, which meant that the church you were at was, they, I guess they had excommunicated you and

were recommending that for the larger denomination and now that's happened and they

actually gave some formal charges as to why.

And so we're going to talk about that today,

because I think this is one of the examples of how,

it's not just wokeness, right?

That word gets thrown around a lot, or social justice even. just in any institution and Christian institutions included there seems to be a group of managerial

elites who they uphold a certain kind of orthodoxy and it's not necessarily the orthodoxy of the confession

in this case right and that surprises people that what we have we have the but you can can be outside of that but that's not the case in many of these

institutions we found especially since 2020 and LCMS I suppose is one of

those so I'm just gonna let you kind of tell your side of the story why you've been ex communicated from the Missouri

Synod and I know we went over a lot of this last time because a lot of this, you know, what happened

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