Welcome once again to the Conversations that Matter podcast. I'm your host John

Harris. We have a special guest with us today. We have Nate Fisher though he is

driving at the moment so you're not going to be able to see his face but you will hear him and he has been on the

podcast once before hey Nate how you doing? How's it going John? Good to be here.

Yeah I'm thankful that we were able to make this kind of workout. I have a very busy week, as I told my patrons, because my brother's getting married at the end of the week,

and we have families staying with us and it's just crazy.

But this was a controversy.

I really wanted to, while the going was good and people are still talking about it, I wanted

to weigh in a little bit and give you the opportunity to weigh in with a crowd that may have seen some of the response to your particular tweet.

So I should just remind everyone before we get into all that of course

Nate you are the founder of American reformer the CEO of new founding if people want to

check those out then go to American Reformer, I believe it's dot com or

or dot org rather American reformer dot org and what's new founding's website just new founding

com?

That is correct.

All right, so check those websites out.

There's a lot of good stuff there.

And maybe we can talk about that a little later

as we get into it.

But let's jump right into the controversy here

because I thought what you said was pretty obvious and tame,

but you had a lot of pushback for this.

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